Posts by Touchofgrey

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Who told the first lie?
by nicolaou in
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2. bible
this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.
Touchofgrey

The Hebrew word Yom means 24 hours, a solar day ,exodus 20 : 8-11 Israel were to work for six days and rest on the 7th day "Yom " same word used in genesis. So not a thousand years.
Majority of Christian religions believed a 150 years ago that the creation account was made up of 7 days of 24 hours period. It was only pesky science that made them change their time scale.
So the serpent in the story didn't lie ,they didn't die in a day ,yom a 24 hour period of time.
The Adam and eve story is a myth, there's a similar story in the epic tales of galgermesh.
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Hey, Regarding the "Resurrection" thing and the WT denial of the Mt 27:51-53 incident...
by FragrantAddendum in
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2. beliefs
so according to bible.

elisha's bones were there when jehovah resurrected some other dude.

jesus could heal from a distance by power of god.
Touchofgrey

Can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed, the four gospels were written decades after the so called events by unknown authors so not eyewitness of the events ,and independently verified evidence that the events of mt 25:51-54 actually happened as even those who didn't believe in jesus would have witnessed those events and so you would think that someone would have recorded them.
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Deep study
by road to nowhere in
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2. beliefs
wifes friend had to go home to deep study the sunday article.

does that mean not skimming headings?

the last deep thing i remember was babylon book and it was a perfect fit except none of it came true.
Touchofgrey

The war scrolls, part of the dead sea scrolls ,written by the essene sect . Interesting there are similarities between the war scrolls and the book of revelation apart from the final outcome. The war scrolls predates the book of revelation.
When doing a deep study of revelation do so in comparison with the war scrolls and see if they influenced the author of revelation.
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The Synagogue of Satan
by Sea Breeze in
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the governing body claims to be the ruling part of the 144k jews in revelation.

wt leaders wiped out 4-5 generations of my family, and nearly took me out as well.

i will see this injustice settled however long it takes.
Touchofgrey

No , it was something like that Christopher hitchens would say in his debates with religious people when they would try and justify their beliefs as true and others had different beliefs who also claimed that they were true.
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The Synagogue of Satan
by Sea Breeze in
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the governing body claims to be the ruling part of the 144k jews in revelation.

wt leaders wiped out 4-5 generations of my family, and nearly took me out as well.

i will see this injustice settled however long it takes.
Touchofgrey

And jws will be praying for the destruction of Babylon the great for the injustice they are responsible for, which will include born again Christian. Mormons and other Christian religions will be doing the same because of their interpretation of jesus and the bible.
Islamic religions will be doing the same wanting the destruction of all religion too.
They all can't be right, but they all can be wrong.
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Another Sad Shunning due to homophobia by J.W's !!
by Phizzy in
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2. experiences
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Touchofgrey

And yet most Christians will be happy to disregard leviticus 19:19 and wear clothes with mixed fibers, wool and linen.
Leviticus 11 :9-12 only eat seafood that has fins and scales, many Christians will ignore that also and enjoy shellfish.
Cherry picking scriptures a Christian pastime.
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Yesterday's Public Talk: '' Reject Worldly Fantasies, Pursue Kingdom Realities''
by RULES & REGULATIONS in
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2. beliefs
my brother ( an elder ) calls me every time he's assigned a public talk.

he believes listening to zoom meetings is a great start, to eventually attending in-person meetings.

the talk is titled : '' reject worldly fantasies, pursue kingdom realities.
Touchofgrey

Interesting the book of Matthew was written by a unknown author some 40 years after the so called events and doesn't claim to be a eyewitness, the earliest copy of Matthew is dated around 250/60 ce .
So how can anyone with any certainly make any claims as what was said and what was meant by the words Matthew 26:27,28.
Sea breeze maybe your right and jws are wrong or jws are right and your wrong or your both right or both wrong.
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Not only the ORG who perverts Scriptures!
by BoogerMan in
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2. bible
john 14:6 - "jesus said to him, “i am the way, the truth, and the life.

no one comes to the father except through me.".

certain christian denominations lie & contradict jesus' crystal clear statement, by promoting the following dogma:.
Touchofgrey

Who knows what jesus said ,the gospels were written by unknown authors decades after the so called events, its been copied and translated and probably changed depending upon the copist and their belief systems.
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Yesterday's Public Talk: '' Reject Worldly Fantasies, Pursue Kingdom Realities''
by RULES & REGULATIONS in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
my brother ( an elder ) calls me every time he's assigned a public talk.

he believes listening to zoom meetings is a great start, to eventually attending in-person meetings.

the talk is titled : '' reject worldly fantasies, pursue kingdom realities.
Touchofgrey

Its manipulation and coercive control over the people in attendance, that worldly people are bad associations and any information that is not approved by the org should be avoided, because they know that jws will then question what they have been told. And discover that they have been lied too .
All religions gaslight there believers that they are the only true religion and they should believe the fantasies that they promotes as true. They don't want them to do independent research into the bible and find out that the bible is the uninspired word of man.
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Did you consider Paul as false prophet?
by PeterNobody in
1. watchtower
2. bible
dear brothers!

you as a bible researchers, refused the catholicism, but still use the books which catholic church defined as the source of truth.

did you consider paul as a false prophet?
Touchofgrey

Since Paul's letters preceded the four anonymous gospels by a few decades, it is thought that he started the Christian cult .
Professor James Tabor a biblical scholar of Judaism and early christianity has written books and YouTube lectures about Paul's involvement in the movement. Well worth a consideration.